- Are we obliged to obey the Amir of a Group?

To join a group or to work with one is the same as long as you obey the order of the Amir of the group… For Example to join salat Jama'ah or to pray with a jama'ah is the same as long as you follow the Imaam of Salat. But if the Amir orders you to do something Haram or which contradicts with the Shari'ah, for example he restricts the divine method to establish the Khilafah by time or by place then it becomes Haram to obey him or to join his Jama'ah. The same would be the case if the Imaam of Salat started to uncover his Aworah in the salat or started to laugh loudly i.e. it would become Haram to continue to pray behind him. NB. This is not Analogy i.e. Qiyas Shari'ie but just an example for you in order to make you understand the answer.

- What is Da'wah and What does it mean?

Dawah means calling, inviting, commanding good and forbidding evil etc…

The subject of Dawah is divided to two Divisions:
1- Dawah to Individuals
2- Dawah to society

Dawah to Individuals is of two types: 1- Dawah to Non-Muslims i.e. Inviting him/her to embrace Islam regardless of his/her position e.g. whether they are a farmer or a ruler. 2- Dawah to Muslims i.e. Inviting him/her to abide by Islam i.e. Al-Amer Bil-Ma'rouf -&- Al-Nahie Ann Al-Munkar Note that this type of Dawah is Individual Dawah and can take place one to one or in any circle, classroom or shop the way the Messenger Muhammad was doing before and after the Islamic State.

Dawah to Society: This means to call society i.e. Dar ul-Kufr today, to accept Islam as a political belief i.e. as a law and order or a way of life, regardless of whether the majority in the society are Muslim or non-Muslim in order to change it to Dar ul-Islam the way the Messenger Muhammad (saw) was making his call to society in Makkah before the Islamic State.

Society And Dar The Definition of Society is 'The continues transactions between people (Muslim or non-Muslim) managed by an authority (law and order).' If the Law and order is Islamic and the ruler is a Muslim we call this society Dar ul-Islam even if the majority are non-Muslims. And if the Law and order is Kufr we call this society Dar ul-Kufr even if the majority are Muslims.

Non-Muslims and Media Regarding what is going to happen to non-Muslims on the day of Judgement this is obviously not our business and a matter which is entirely up to Allah (SWT). However, Allah informs says: 'We are not going to punish people until we send them a messenger.." and the messenger Muhammad (saw) said: " convey on behalf of me even one verse" and he (saw) said: " My Ummah will carry Dawah after me…". As far as non-Muslims in the west are concerned I believe dawah has reached them whether by Muslims or through the Media and the national curriculum. Islam is known internationally and universally and mentioned in the International Arena by most of the leaders of the world. This is regardless of whether the media, rulers and the national curriculum represent the true image of Islam or not because the messenger (saw) said: 'whosoever heard about my name and did not ask or believe in me Is Kafir" and in another narration 'is subject to be accounted by Allah (SWT)'.

- Are we obliged to work for the Khilafah?

Working to establish the Khilafah is originally Fard Kifayah with a divine time limit of three days within which to accomplish it. But when the time limit is passed the Fard Kifayah will transfer to Fard Muhattam i.e. an immediate duty. Therefore working to establish Khilafah nowadays is Fard upon all Muslims i.e. (Fard Kifayah Muhattam) or a sufficient duty binding immediately without a time limit upon all Muslims and those who engage in it remove the sin and the burden on their necks until they accomplish the task. Whereas those who do not engage in working to establish the Khilafah nowadays are sinful. Except for those who have Shari'ah permits e.g. the blind, very old people, people with severe disabilities or people in prisons etc…Hence juristically it is not accurate to say that Khilafah is Fard Ayn because Fard Ayn means obligatory upon every individual Muslim and the nature of the task is to establish one Khilafah not for every individual to establish his own Khilafah like the duty of praying Salat etc.

The Usuli principle is that the Fard Kifayah will never become Ayn nor can a Fard Ayn ever become Fard Kifayah. Note: We must understand the difference between something being binding immediately upon all Muslims and binding immediately upon every individual Muslim. Although to be a part of an Islamic group is a Fard Kifaayah and not a Fard Ayn or Fard Muhattam to work to establish the Khilafah is Fard Muhattam.

The Definition of Fard i.e. obligatory among the the Usuli Scholars is 'the decisive request by the Legislator to the responsible person to do.'

Note: Every Fard to do has some implications upon Muslim: 1. The Fard is a Burden until it has been fulfilled 2. The Fard causes Sin if it is not fulfilled and punishment by the Khalifah in this life or by Allah in Hereafter. 3. The Fard causes reward by Allah in the hereafter if fulfilled. 4. The Fard causes praise from the people if it is fulfilled 5. The Fard causes dispraise from the people if it is not fulfilled.

The Definition of Fard Ayn among the Usuli Scholars is 'the decisive request by the Legislator to every responsible Muslim to do.'

Note: If anyone fulfils his/her Ayn duty others are still obliged to do their Ayn duty. The Types of Fard Ayn are the following:

1) Fard Ayn Muwassa' 2) Fard Ayn Mudhyyaq 3) Fard Ayn Mu'ayyan 4) Fard Ayn Mukhayyar 5) Fard Ayn Muhaddad 6) Fard Ayn Gheir Muhaddad 6) Fard Ayn Muttlaq 7) Fard Ayn Muqayyad 8) Fard Ayn Naa-eib 9) Fard Ayn Gheir Naa-Eib 10) Fard Ayn Assasi 11) Fard Ayn Far'ie 12) Fard Ayn A'la Al-Taraakhie 13) Fard Ayn A'la Al-Faworiyyah.

The Definition of Fard Kifaayah among the Usuli Scholars is 'the decisive request by the Legislator to responsible Muslims (wherever they may be) to do, as a matter of sufficiency within a time limit.'

Note: The sufficient Fard by its nature can be fulfilled by some Muslims and if they fulfil it within its time-limit the burden on the people present is released from that particular duty. The Types of Fard Kifayah are the following: 1) Fard Kifaayah Muwassa' 2) Fard Kifaayah Mudhyyaq 3) Fard Kifaayah Muhattam 4) Fard Kifaayah Mu'ayyan 5) Fard Kifaayah Mukhayyar 6) Fard Kifaayah Muhaddad 7)Fard Kifaayah Gheir Muhaddad 8) Fard Kifaayah Muttlaq 9) Fard Kifaayah Muqayyad 10)Fard Kifaayah Naa-eib 11) Fard Kifaayah Gheir Naa-Eib 12) Fard Kifaayah Assasi 13) Fard Kifaayah Far'ie 14) Fard Kifaayah A'la Al-Taraakhie 15) Fard Kifaayah Al-Faworiyyah

The Definition of Fard Kifaayah Muhattam among the Usuli Scholars is 'the decisive request by the Legislator to the responsible Muslims (wherever they may be) to do, as a matter of sufficient urgency.'

Note: The sufficient Muhattam by its nature can be fulfilled by some Muslims like the Fard Kifaayah, the difference being that when the time-limit for the fard kifaayah has passed it will be Fard Muhattah upon Muslims in that particular area such that those who engage to fulfil it remove the sin from their necks but the burden of the duty will stand until they fulfil it completely. Whereas those others who did not engage have the sin and the burden on their necks until they engaged and fulfil it.

 

- How are we to establish the Khilafah?

The Method to establish the Islamic State is Ijtihad matter i.e. Zannie Rule which is:
A- Da'wah: Calling Society to Islam (Culturing Society).
B- Commanding good and forbidding Evil of Society (Adopting the interests of people and Exposing Man-made Law).
C- Implementation of the Shari'ah: (Bay'iah to a Khalifah to implement Islam).

However, The Method to take Authority is a Qatt'ie Rule by Nussrah.
(NB: Please realise the difference between the Method to establish the Khilafah (a Zanni Rule) and The Method to take authority (a Qatt'ie Rule).

Further, the implementation of the Shari'ah cannot be fulfilled without taking Authority (i.e. Sultaan). Therefore Nussra is a Divine prerequisite because it is an introduction to the Wajid i.e. the implementation of the Shari'ah from the General prinicple: Muqadimat-ul-Wajib Wajib...(The Introduction to the Obligatory is Obligatory)...

NB: It is wrong (on the above example) to use the other principle i.e. [What leads to Wajib is Wajib] as a link between Nussrah and the Method to establish the Islamic State because the second principle is a Rational Prerequisite which can be used in a different place e.g. Salat is Fard but its (Muqaddimah)i.e. Divine Prerequisite is Taharah... Whereas from where to get pure water for Tahara i.e. from the river or the sea is a Rational Prerequisite from the principle: What leads to wajib is Wajib.... Moreover to work with a group to establish the Khilafah is a (Muqaddimah) i.e. a divine prerequisite for Allah says: [3:104].

- Can we establish the Khilafah any way we please?

In Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) every Hukm "do" (i.e.thought) has its own Hukm "how to do" (i.e. Method) and the Hukm "how to do" takes the same rule as the Hukm "Do" For example the Verse 3:104 is a Hukm (related to thought) i.e. to rise an Islamic group(s) for specific divine duties whereas the Verses 16:125 and 33:21 and some other Ahadeeth are related to the divine methods to fulfil these various divine duties. Juristically the correct way is to go to the divine request first and secondly to look for its divine method and not vise-versa because to do otherwise is not safe; the Jihadis for example discovered Jihad as a method and they try to fulfil different divine duties with it which have nothing to do with Jihad as a method e.g. establishing the Khilafah.

- What are the Duties of the Islamic Group?

It is obligatory upon the group to seek to remove all munkaraat in society actively. The verse 3:104 has nothing to do with the divine method. Rather the divine duties upon any Islamic group are taken from 3:104 i.e. calling society to Islam, commanding good and forbidding Evil. In addition to the above duties, Islamic group(s) are obliged nowadays to Work for the establishmemt of the Khilafah as the highest Ma'rouf in order to remove the Kufr law which is the highest Munkar. The divine Method for first duty is derived from the verse 16:125 and many other ahadeeth.However the Divine Method for the establishment of the Khilafah is derived from the Verse:" Say: O my lord let my life be based on truth, and my departure be based on truth; and grant me from amongst them authority (i.e. Ansaar) who support me" [EMQ 17:80] and from the Ahadeeth of the second pledge of A'qabah (In the Musnad Imaam Ahmad and Al-Mu'jaam ul-Kabeer for At-Tabarani). As for as the stages they are matter of Mubaah (permissible) and Seerah books contain the best lessons for it.

What is the duty/ies of Islamic group(s)?

The Divine duties upon Group(s)derived from the verse 3:104 are: 1- Da'wah to Al-Khair i.e Calling society to Islam. 2- Al-Amr Bil-Ma'rouf i.e. Commanding Good and An-Nahier Ann Al-Munkar i.e. Forbidding Evil (of Society).

What is the method(s) of each duty?

The Divine Methods of the above duties as follows;
Firsly: The Divine Method for Da'wah to Socitey which is Fard as a thought derived from the Verse [16:125] with three points:

A. Bil-Hikmah: Carrying Da'wah by and address their thoughts by Hikmah i.e. Fiqh and Evidences

B. Al-Mawo'izzah: Preaching to people and touching their emotions by relating the matter to Allah and The Hereafter.

C. Al-Jidaal Al-Mamdouh: Debating with people and challenging all their thoughts and traditions.

Secondly: The divine Method to command good and forbid evil in society derived from the Verses [104:1-7], [107:1-7], [111:1-5], [68:8-16] and the Ahadeeth for forbidding Evil by BUKHARI, MUSLIM AND AHMAD with three points: A. Al-Tandeed by Using strong and harsh words against the evil of society. B. At-Ta-TTeer by exposing the Evil of society from all directions e.g. politics, Economics, Social and Foreign Policy etc.. C. Al-Akhezz A'la Al-Yadd i.e. Forbidding forcibly.. All the above as Ta-assie i.e. following the Messenger Muhammad (saw) the way he called the society of Makkah and the way he commanded good and forbade the Evil of the society of Makkah.
NB: The Above has nothing to do with the method to call individual non-Muslims to Islam, nor the method to command good and forbid evil for individual Muslims or non-Muslims.

- What does Ma'rouf and Munkar mean?

Firstly, the word Ma'rouf is a term related to whatever Allah (swt) or His messenger requested us to Do. Therefore when we are commanding Good (Amr Bil-Ma'rouf) that does not mean to go out and repeat stupidly the words : "Ma'rouf…Ma'rouf… O' people Ma'rouf or O' people Munkar…Mukar!!". Rather we must say to the people: O' People worship Allah, O' People Work to Establish Khilafah, O' Musims Pray, O' people do not fornicate etc… In addition sometimes there is no specific evidence (Daleel hass) or divine indication (i.e. Qareenah) for a matter rather it could be included in a general evidence (Daleel A'am).

For example, the permissibility of a Banana or a Mango has no specific Daleel except the general rule which is derived from the divine general evidence where Allah (swt) says: " Verily, He is The One who created every things in the earth for you…." [EMQ 2:29] and " It is God Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies, and with it bringeth out fruits wherewith to feed you…" [EMQ 14:32].

Therefore a Banana, Mango or watermelon, despite the fact that they are not specifically mentioned, are included in the general rule of permissibility of all things until a specific divine text restrict otherwise e.g. a pig has been specifically addressed. Remember that Allah (swt) ordered us to command good (i.e. Ma'rouf) which is a general and abstract term (Mujmal), therefore it is required to have detailed elaboration (Tafseel) for all Ma'rouf which include calling for Khilafah, salat, Jihad etc…

Remember as well that Allah (swt) ordered us to call OPENLY to Islam (Carry Da'wah) which is a General request and Fard to do…and "the interaction to create Public pinion" is included in the general evidence and General rule of this Fard. Please refer to the below listed Verses as divine evidences and divine Qareenah.

To Interact to create a Public Opinion for Islam is included under the general divine rule of carrying Da'wah to society publicly and openly (beside carrying Da'wa to individuals). So this obligation i.e. public Da'wah to Society is Fard upon Muslims i.e. group(s) (Ref 3:104) whether you wish to call it Public Interaction or Public Da'wah and this obligation is derived from many general and unrestricted divine evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah

Please refer to the below topics in the following verses:

1- Unrestricted and Obligatory to Proclaim Islam collectively and publicly: [Verse 15:94], [Verse 14:33], [Verse 12:108]

2- Unrestricted and Obligatory to Call Openly to Islam (Da'wah) until Islam become dominate: [Verse 9:33], [Verse 48:28], [Verse 61:9], [Verse 42:15] [Verse 41:33], [Verse 16:125], [Verse14:52]
Calling Society openly to the Islamic system (e.g. Khilafah) is Fard by itself and its divine Method is derived from the narrated actions of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) (from Makkah to Madinah), though not any of his actions but rather those related to law and order i.e. addressing the authority of Makkah...etc. Remember Allah (swt) obliges us to follow him as uswah Hasana [33:21].

NB. There is no specific evidence to state that Ruku' or Sujud in salat is Fard, rather Allah (swt) obliged us to pray and the messenger was the role model for us to follow in salat. So there is a difference between saying that prayer is Fard with a specific evidence and saying that Ruku' in Salat is Fard though without a specific evidence for the obligation of Ruku'.

- Do we have to address the Munkar of society?

Regarding addressing the Munkar of Society e.g. exposing the Kufr law which is dominant. This is Fard upon Muslims in order to remove the sin from their necks and to remove the Munkar. If they engage themselves against it the sin will removed but the burden will remain on their necks until they remove the Munkar. One cannot be in a group working to establish the Khilafah without addressing the Munkaraat of the society because it is all related to the Munkar Assaassie i.e. the main Munkar in society which is the Kufr law, however if members of a group (wherever they are) are working to establish the Khilafah by following its divine method they remove the sin from their necks as far as working to establish the Khilafah is concerned but they are still sinful until they address the Mukaraat in society where they live and seek to remove it NB: If somebody prays or Fasts do think that he is not excused from the duty to feed his wife similarly if somebody is working to establish the Khilafah he is not excused from addressing the Mukarrat or from praying Salaat. The Ayah 3:104 composes all Munkar and all the Ma'rouf because the text is general, therefore any Islamic group must address all Mukaraat Assassiyah in the society in order to remove the sin. As for the goal they are seeking to reach it is:

1. To fulfil their obligation by keeping addressing it, the result being in the hands of Allah (swt).
2. To remove sin from their necks.
3. To please Allah (swt).

The Mukahaat of the society i.e. the Mukaraat which has been legislated by the domain of Kufr law and order is a collective responsibility upon Muslims who require groups to rise in response to it and the only sdolution for this mankaraat of the law and order is for an authority to be established i.e. the Khilafah. Hence you cannot work to establish the Khilafah without addressing the actions and rules of the Authority. The Ayah 3:104 is an evidence to rise a group as Fard Kifayah but not an evidence to say that forbidding or carrying Da'wah against evil is Fard Kifaya! In addition Fard Kifayah after the time limit for its establishment has expired becomes Fard Muhattam. This means that if you are not working to change it you are sinful even if some groups are already engaged in it. For example to work to establish the Khilafah is Fard Kifayah but after the time limit for it expires it becomes Fard Muhattam and the same applies for the Mukaraat of the law and order. If the Khilafah was existent today i.e. the law and order forbade the Mukaraat of the society even if the individuals were engaged in it, in such a case one might be able to change it by his hand as the state would support him. The Group must address the Munkar of the authority i.e. the Kufr law and order otherwise they are sinful because that is part of the divine method whatever we call it e.g. political struggle or Interaction stage. The membership of any group must not become a way for any individual not to forbid evil (under the pretext that every member is the party and therefore he/she must not change evil otherwise people may think that the party is doing it) The Mukaraat of the Individuals (MI) and the Mukaraat of Society (MS) i.e. the law and order must be addressed by Muslims whether they are part of groups or not because it is fard upon them. In addition you must not confuse changing Munkaraat (MI+MS) by any individual if he/she has the capability (Istitta'ah) to change it by hand and if not then by their tongue, regardless of if we have a Khilafah or not, in fact the only difference is that during the Khilafah an individual has the capibility to change Munkar by his/her hand because the Law and order i.e. the Khilafah will support him/her.

- What is political struggle?

Political struggle Islamically means Al-Amer Bil-Ma'rouf and Al-Nahie Ann Al-Munkar which includes exposing the rulers during a Dar ul-Kufr situation and to account the Khalifah and his governors, assistants etc… during a Dar ul-Islam situation. This is the meaning of political struggle according to Islam, please refer to Sheikh Taqi (ra)'s leaflet "political Struggle" dated 1966. Khilafah is Fard upon us and we must be part of a Jama'ah with whom we are engaging on the divine method to establish the Khilafah which includes political struggle wherever we are living. The point is to please Allah (swt) by fulfilling the obligation and the result is in His hands.

- How do we take Nussrah?

Q1. In what circumstances do we seek the Nussrah to take Authority?
There is no a specific circumstances to seek Nussrah to take Authority provided we seek it from Muslims in positions of Nussrah to remove the Kufr authority.

Q2. In what circumstances does the group use the stages to implement Shari'ah?
Juristically speaking, nothing call stages of a group to implement Shari'ah, it is a matter of Mubaah (permissible). Moreover, it is not allowed to delay the implementation of Shari'ah because of group's administrative stages.

Q3. Do we need the group based on 3:104 to take Authority, or only if its necessary to go through the stages arrived at through Ijtihad?
The fact of the matter that the only (explicit) divne evidence for a group to rise is the verse 3:104. Further, Muslims in general are obliged to take authority in order to implement Islam, and the method for that is to seek Nussrah.

Q4. What do we do if circumstances do not allow us to seek Nussrah? Answer: We must keep engage on the divine Method, which is included, seeking Nussrah as a matter of Fard (i.e. Takleef) regardless of circumstances and to make Hijrah if that fard cannot fulfil except with Hijrah. Q5. If we need Nussrah to take Authority, why does the group need to arise? Answer: The Verse 3:104 is very clear why the group need to arise and what its duties. However, nowadays to implememnt Islam is fard upon Muslims.

Therefore to work to establish the Khilafah is Fard Kifaayah Muhattam upon Muslims world-wide. The Divine Method to establish the Islamic State (Khilafah) is different than the divine method to take authority even though that taking authority by seeking Nussrah is a divine pre-requisite. Therefore to join a for the sake to establish the Khilafah is Fard Kifaayah Muhattam.

Q4. What is the hukm to take authority?
Originally, it is a Fard Kifaayah (upon Muslims wherever they are) to take the authority in order to implement Islam. However, nowadays it is a fard Kifaayah Muhattam upon Muslims. NB: Taking authority to implement Islam is Fard upon Muslims. This Fard is a thought (Fikrah) needy for a divine method (Tariqah)

Q5. What is the method to take authority? Is it by sharing power, by Jihad or by Nussra?
The divine Method to take authority is by seeking Nussrah.. NB: Seeking Nussrah to take authority in order to implement Islam is a divine method with the same Hukm of taking authority. However, the Hukm of seeking Nussrah is Fard Muhkam and Qatt'ie i.e decisive without abrogation.

Q6. What is the hukm to implement the shariah?
Originally, it is a Fard Kifaayah (upon Muslims wherever they are) to implement the Shari'ah i.e. to establish the Khilafah. However, nowadays it is a fard Kifaayah Muhattam upon Muslims wherever they are. NB: to implement the Shari'ah is Fard upon Muslims. This Fard is a thought (Fikrah) needy for a divine method (Tariqah)

Q7. What is the method to implement the shariah?
The divine Method to implement the Shari'ah i.e. to establish the Islamic State is an Ijtihaad matter. The method is composed of the following duties: A- Da'wah: Calling Society to Islam (i.e. Culturing Socitey). B- Commanding good and forbidding the Evil of Society (Adpoting the interests of the people and Exposing Man-made Law). C- Implementation of Shari'ah: (by Bay'iah to a Khalifah to implement Islam). NB: In order to be able to implement Islam we must take the authority as a divine prerequisite for the implementation of Islam.

Q8. What is relationship between the hukm to take authority and the hukm to implement the shariah? The implementation of Shari'ah it cannot be fulfil without taking an Authority (i.e. Sultaan). Therefore Nussrah is a Divine prerequisite because it is an introduction to the Wajib i.e. the implementation of the Shari'ah from the General principle: Muqadimat-ul-Wajib Wajib...(The Introduction to the Obligatory is Obligatory)...
NB: It is wrong (on the above example) to use the other principle i.e. [What leads to Wajib is Wajib] as a link between Nussrah and the Method to establish the Islamic State because the second principle is a Rational Prerequisite which can be used in different a place. For example: Salat is Fard but its Muqaddimah i.e. Divine Prerequisite, is Taharah... Whereas from where to get pure water for Tahara; from a river or sea, is a Rational Prerequisite from the principle: What leads to wajib is Wajib.... Moreover to work with a group to establish the Khilafah is a Muqaddimah i.e. a divine prerequisite for Allah says [3:104].

- Should the group working to establish the Khilafah work everywhere?

To work to establish Khilafah (nowadays) is Fard Kifayaah Muhattam (Fard Muhattam upon Muslims world-wide until the Khilafah is established somewhere). Allah (swt) makes Man Mukallaf (responsible) on the planet Earth and He (swt) commanded Man to fulfil many duties and responsibilities, so when Allah (swt) ordered us to pray or to fast or to rule by Islam without to restrict it by a place or time this means that it is Fard upon us wherever we are until the Divine text states otherwise. The principle is that "Whatever is general (A'am) will continue general until divine text specifies it (Takhsees) And "Whatever is unrestricted (Muttlaq) will continue unrestricted until the divine text restricts it (Taqieed)" Nobody has the power to restrict or to specify any rule by time or place but Allah (swt)

WHEREVER YOU ARE
Any general or unrestricted request or command (to do or not to) in the Quran or in the Sunnah will continue general and unrestricted until a divine text (i.e. verse or Hadith)specify or restrict...
Whosoever, restricted or specified the general of the unrestricted request or command of Allah (swt) or His messenger by a time, place, region (Majal) intentionally without a divine text from Quran and Sunnah is an apostate or Kafir... Allah (swt) says: " Then strive all of you towards all that is good (Islam) WHERESOEVER YOU ARE, Allah will bring you togother. For Allah Has power over all things" [EMQ 2:148] and many other verses....And in many Ahadeeth the sahabah mentioned for example in abysinnia to the king: "Allah (swt) sent to us the messenger to guide us to worship Allah after ue use to worship man opr idols and to pray and to speak truth, and to commend good and to forbid evil WHERESOEVER WE ARE.... etc..". and the same in the Ahdeeth of the second Bai'yah....There is no single verse or hadith stated to me that to pray, fast or to work to esblish Allah's (deen) or to abide by Islam in the UK, USA? but because the commands in the verses and the ahadeeth are general and restricted that is why we oblige to pray, fast and to work to establish the Khilafah...

- Can we have a Khilafah without the Khilafah?

The term Khalifah is a Juristic term. please refer to the role of the Khaleefah or Ameer-u-Mumineen we will realise that a person call himself a Khalifah need to read a little bit from the book of Al-Ahkaam Al-Sultaniyyah for Imaam Maawordi and in particular the role of the Khaleefah in Islam... It is wrong and not a Juristic opinion whatsoever to say that the Messenger Muhammad (saw) was a Khaleefah i.e. a Leader in Makkah before the Ahkaam of ruling revealed to him (saw)...!! BUT let us for the sake of the truth to prevail assume that the messenger Muhammad (saw) was during the time Makkah i.e. during the time of the incompleted revelation (Wahi) was leader... But nowadays Islam is completed and the role of the Khalifah (Leader of the Islamic state) is define in order to accept any person to a Khaleefah... Moreover, the term khalifah by Juristic definition is a Mature, male, sane, free and trustworthy Muslim who suceeded an Islamic Authority by Bai'yah to implement Islam....] [Al-Jirjaan, Al-Hattabie, Al-Qalqashandi, Ibn Khuldoon and Abu Ya'la etc.. Whereas Br. Abu Issa or Abu Hammam in the UK has no authority nor he is able to fulfil the role of Ameer-u-Mu'mineen i.e. to govern by Islam, implement Hodud, sign treaties, remove a dispute and to judge between people etc... In other word he is not "Junnah" i.e. a Sheild able to protect people... and it is wrong to claims that he is weak and the Nussrah is from Allah as a maater of fate and destiny!! because the Nussrah is matter of obligation. NB: Many people in Syria, lebanon and eygpt claims to be Qureishi and Khaleefahs before Abu Isa. NB2: Br. Abu Isa (Al-Rifaa'ie) is a trustworthy Muslim, I meet him personaly a couple of times in fact I travelled with him in the UK but I think his Fiqh in this particular matter is very weak.... because his thinks that Nussrah is Amr Qadhaie Rabaani whereas all the Fuquhaa beleived that seeking Nussrah is Amr Taklifie i.e. Fard...Moreover, We cannot go back to Makkan period where Islam is completed.... in addition he differ with all the classical Fuqahaa for example: Al-Imaam Al-Shattibi (Maliki), and Al-Imaam Al-Quraafi in book Al-Furouq (Maliki): Stated clearly that the Messenger Muhammad (saw) was not a ruler in Makkah and that is way he was seeking Nussrah... and that way he take Bai'ah or ruling after he arrived to Yathreb despite the fact that he has bai'ah of Nussra in Makkah i.e. Bai'ah of Al-A'qabah Al-Thaniyah...Therefore in my opinion that Abu Isa and his followers are not more than a group but they call themselves (Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen)...

- Did Mus'ab ibn Umayr engage in political struggle?

Mus'ab (ra) did not engage in the divine method e.g. any political struggle against the authority in Madinah nor did he (ra) change the belief or thoughts of the people. The trip of Mus'ab to Madinah is reported by saheeh narrations that is was a mission to teach some Muslims Islam and to contact people of Nussrah. That is why some classical scholars agree that Mus'ab was the one asking for the Nussrah for the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and he(ra) visited Makkah after one year with about 74 Muslims who met the Messenger (saw). Some of them confirmed their pledges of Islam to the Messenger (saw) and some confirmed their pledges of Nussrah i.e. to give power, please refer to Sheikh Taqi (ra)'s leaflet " Mus'ab bin U'mair seeking Nussrah" dated 1967 As for whether the prophet (saw) delayed taking assuming power for 1 year (at 2nd pledge of aqaba) until Mus'ab returned, Allah (swt) knows best, but some classical scholars say that the messenger was waiting until Allah (swt) granted him permission to make Hijrah, whilst other classical scholars say that the Messenger (saw) was waiting until Mus'ab took Nussrah from the people of Nussrah in yathrib who were absent during the first pledge of A'qabah because he was informed that "O' Rasullah, we left behind us in Yathrib people who are very strong and who keep fighting each other but if Allah (swt) brings them together under your leadership you be able you control the Area…" You must remember that Islam is complete, therefore working to establish the Khilafah is not the only duty upon Muslims or upon groups today. It is therefore a grave mistake to assume that because you are a part of an Islamic group other obligations are no longer binding nor to assume that the obligation to address the munkar of the law and order i.e. authority is no longer Fard upon you just because your are not in a particular country. Nor to assume that a particular action is Haram or permissible or Fard or not Fard just because the messenger (saw) did or did not do it during Makkan period. We must look to the whole Islam i.e. follow the Qur'an and Sunnah in order to understand our obligations and in order not to confuse ourselves by some rules which have been abrogated or some logical analogies or assumptions.

- Is the Group an Entity?

The western understanding of a group is that it is an entity, whereas in Islam a group is not an entity rather it is individuals following the opinions of their Ameer. Therefore if any one of them or some of them did a duty or engaged in any duty e.g. political struggle in any part of the world, it does not mean that all of them are rewarded for it, nor does it mean that all the members are fulfilling their duties, rather those who did it alone will be rewarded and will remove the sin from their necks whereas the other remain sinful if they did not fullfil their duties, even if we are talking about a fard kifayah, as long as the time limit is up and the duties are part of their Iltizamaat Islamiyyah. Working to establish the Khilafah is Fard and the only way to remove the sin from our necks as Muslims is to fulfill its divine Method wherever we are. The divine method cannot not restricted even by the Qiyadah of any Hizb because it is not Iltizamaat Hizbiyyah i.e. an order from the Ameer of Jama'ah rather it is part of Itlizamaat Islamiyyah i.e. the order of Allah (swt). Iltizamaat Hizbiyyah is nothing to do with the ayah 3:104 rather all the divine duties in the ayah are Iltizamaat Islamiyyah. The Iltizamaat Hizbiyyah is derived from the Hadith to obey your Ameer as long as his orders do not contradict with any Iltizamaat Islamiyyah or lead to disobeying Allah (swt).

- What is the difference between Al-Muhajiroun and Hizb ut Tahrir?

Hizb-ut-Tahrir and Al-Muhajiroun adopt the same divine method BUT one of the main differences between them (in summary) is that ALM believe that HT has no right to suspend the divine duty to work for the establishment of the Khilafah and its divine method whether inside or outside the co-called 'Majal' (i.e. area of work) in addition to the fact that HT members outside Majal have been ordered to replace the divine method by a man-made method!! We Al-Muhajiroun believe that is a direct violation of the commands of Allah (swt) by the HT leadership and its members.

Do AM and HT differ in their adoption?
AM adopt most of Sheikh Taqi's opinions and have no problem with the objective, method or culture but we disagree about the majal because HT violate Allah's command regarding this issue. Moreover AM members engage on the method wherever they are whereas HT members do not engage in the method outside the majal of the middle-east. Whereas HT members outside the majal only fulfil party orders as opposed to the orders of Allah(swt).

Does AM work to establish the Khilafah in the UK?
AM are very clear and precise that they work to establish the Khilafah wherever they are and Sheikh Omar has made it abundantly clear that AM members in the UK work to establish the Khilafah in the UK and members outside the UK work to establish the Khilafah wherever they may be. Working to establish the Khilafah must be by engaging in the divine method i.e. by engaging in intellectual and political struggle in society, calling the Society to Islam and seeking Nussrah from Muslims in the position of Nussrah.

Why do HT and AM differ today?
The change in HT in the UK over the last three years is not one of the culture Sheikh Taqi left behind but in the mis-understanding of it by blind followers in a new reality i.e. the presence of members resident outside of the majal and whether engaging in the method is binding on them. HT members have taken this new reality as an excuse not to engage in the divine method but rather to spend their time in merriment educating each other and some Muslims about the Khilafah neglecting the Society and forgetting that the political party is supposed to make the society feel its presence by being progressive and effective (as at the time of Sheikh Omar's leadership in the UK). Allah(swt) said 'ask those who have knowledge if you don't know' not to make it up as you go along if you don't know or to ask a plumber, historian, doctor, town planner, computer programmer, electrician or philosopher unqualified in matters of Fiqh, if you don't know! Nor did he (swt) say to you to refer to invisible scholars who cannot explain the evidences to you and whose answers reach you by Chinese whispers via Jordan and the West bank two years after the question has been asked if at all! (as if the one asked needed to go and get a degree in order to give the answer).It is not obvious at all that you have studied with HT. What is clear is that you have been confused and mis-led as to your responsibility by HT. Please feel free to ask questions in order for us to remove this confusion and do not use un-Islamic terminology which could create more confusion like majal, re-establish etc..

- Did the Prophet Muhammad (saw) seek Nussrah from the beginning of Wahi?

The main divine Mission upon the messengers of Allah (swt) is Al-Balaagh Al-Mubeen i.e. to preach people and to call them to submit to Allah (swt). He (swt) (originally) sent His Messenger Muhammad (saw) to call people to Islam not to call them for an Islamic state!! The Clear cut divine evidences for the above from the Qur'an are: Allah (swt) says: "But if they turn away, thy Duty is only to preach the clear Message" [EMQ 16:82] and: " And if you reject (the Message), so did generations before you: and the duty of the Messenger is only to preach publicly and clearly" [EMQ 29:18] and: "O' Messenger! Proclaim the Message which hath been sent to thee from the Lord, if thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His Mission…" [EMQ 5:70] and: " Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and beware if ye do turn back know ye that it is our Messenger's duty is to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner" [EMQ 5:95] and: " But what is the Mission of apostles but to preach the clear Message" [EMQ 16:35] and: "(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, because there came to him the blind man (interrupting). But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow in purity? Or that he might receive admonition, and the reminder might profit him?." [Abasa: 80: 1-4] These verses do not indicate that Muhammad (saw) made ijtihad. The Prophet had been ordered to convey the Islamic call, i.e. dawa, to all mankind and this command had to be carried out by the Prophet. The verses of Abasa deal with an event concerning Abdullah ibn Ummi-Muktum, a blind muslim, who came to Muhammad (saw) while he was busy inviting the leaders of Quraish to Islam. Ibn Ummi-Muktum asked the Prophet to teach him, unaware that he was engaged in conveying the call to Utba, Umaya ibn Khalaf, al Waleed ibn al Mughera, Shaiba, Abu Jahl ibn Hashim, and the sons of Rabiya. The Prophet disliked this interruption, he frowned and turned away. It is reported by Muslim, Tirmizi and Ahmed that the Messenger Muhammad (swt) said: Allah orders me to convey His Message". Hence regarding why the messenger (saw) did not seek Nussrah from the beginning, it was simply because there was no order from Allah to Establish an Islamic State yet, this was revealed to him (saw) a few years later. Since he was commanded by Al-wahy (revelation) and the dawah to Islam was obligatory on him then surely his actions are thus obligatory on us especially upon those group(s) who comprehensively fulfill the verse [3:104].

- Are we establishing or re-establishing the Khilafah?

Muslims are obliged to engage on the divine method to establish the Khilafah wherever they are. What do you mean when you say 'work for'; are you talking about engaging in the method e.g. political struggle against the British government? And what do you mean by 're-establishing of the Khilafah' is there a difference between this and establishing the Khilafah? Are we obliged to establish or to re-establish the Khilafah? Sheikh Taqi states on the first page of the booklet Al-Khilafah 'Khilafah is Fard muhattam upon the Muslims world-wide (wherever they are)' and we AM agree with this and believe that the Earth is the divine majal for the responsible Muslims to fulfil their responsibilities.

- Where is your evidence to say demonstrations are allowed?

Da'wah, Calling to Islam, command good and forbid evil, culturing, teaching Islam or tease the enemy is fard unrestricted by a particular style or means such as:

1- Circles (halaqaat),
2- Conferences (Mutamaraat),
3- Rallies (Mahrajanaat),
4- Public gathering (tajammu'aat),
5- Demonstrations (Muzaharaat),
6- Seminars (Nadawaat),
7- Exhibitions (Ma'aaredh),
8- Stalls (bastaat).. etc..etc.... etc…

Therefore your question is wrong....

The correct question is: where is the evidence that the above styles and means are prohibited!!? (if you do not provide a divine evidence (no Ration) you become sinful and it may leads to Riddah!!

However, there were many demonstrations, circles, rallies and public gathering by the Messenger of Muhammad (saw) and his companions.... This is some of the demonstrations:

1- The Rally of Muzaaharat-us-Sadi'in in Makkah by the messenger and all his companions, after the verse 94 in Chapter of Al-Hijr. Allah (swt) says: " Therefore expound openly what thou art commanded, and turn away from those who join false gods with Allah" [EMQ 15:94].. Refer to seerat Ibn Katheer V1 and Ibn Hishaam and Tafseer Ibn A'bbaas.

2- The Public Address to a big gathering of people by Abu Bakr (ra), Abu Zarr (ra), Ibn Mass'oud (ra)..etc… in Makkah with the knowledge of the Messenger (saw) . (refer to Nihayat l-Irab for Imaam Al-Muwairie, Seerat Ibn Hisham, Maghaazi Ibn Ishaaq and Musnad Imaam Ahmad,

3- The Public Gathering of the Messenger (saw) and few of his companions to the people of Quraish,(day of -Yaum Al-Gharaneeq) which become the biggest demonstration. Refer to Bukhari, Muslim, and Al-Seerah Al-Halabiyyah.

4- The Demonstration of Umar Bin Al-Khattab

5- The Rally of Al-Israa

6- The Public Debates of U'kaaz (Seasons of the Intellectual challenge)

7- The Public address in the Season of "Al-Ashurr Al-Hurum"

8- The Public gathering of Hassan bin Thabit demonstrates against Quraish by reciting publicly his poets. (Kitaab ibn Al-Atheer).

9- The day of Al-Saqeefah (Ijmaa' Al-Sahabah).

10- The day of Al-Tahkeem (Ijmaa' Al-Sahabah).

11- The days of Hajj

12- The days of Eid

- Da'wah wherever you are?

asslam alikum,

This the way I understand ALM, I have no interest to discus ALM or HT here but rather the idea and obeying Allah.

where is the point? working to establish khilafah in the UK or not …it depend on if the group seeing the feasibility to establish it in the UK. I assume that ALM have decided that it is possible to establish khilafa there and decided to work there. O.K.??!! But ALM up to this time, they are addressing the Moslem ummah another word, their offers still working to establish khilafah in Islamic world and at the same causing confusion of the reason for their existence. if ALM wants to establish khialfah in the UK , they need to address the people as citizen of the UK not as the way Hizb ut-tahrir addresses the ummah. in other word, ALM is not working to establish khilafah in the UK even though they are claiming so.

it is matter for a group to choose where to have majal to concentrate their work or at least where it is feasible to establish khilafah.

remember working to establish khilafa is big different than doing da'wah. working to establish khillafa you need to seek support while doing da'wah you do not need to seek support. so, you do da'wah where ever you are and working to establish khilafah where ever it is feasible because Mohammed (saw) did reject one tripe's offer to support him for the reason that they could not do it. therefor, the Hizb must work to establish the khilafah in the majal, and when the hizb out side the majal must call to establish khilafa in the majal, in other word, working to establish khilafa in the majal and doing da'wah out side the majal. if we are out side the majal, then we call kaffer to islam, moslim follow Islam including calling to establishing the khilafah. we have to be honest with people working to or engaging to establish the khilafah is different then calling to establish khilafah. the later one, you do not need Hizb to do it. but establishing the khilafah, you need hizb and you need to seek the support

remember, working to establish khilafah is the hizb responsibility.working with the hizb is individual responsibility.engaging in da'wah is individual responsibility. if the hizb stop working in the majal at that time the hizb is doing haram. if the individual is not doing his or her responsibility, then that individual is doing haram not the hizb.

Dear brother,as we all know each single society has it's own problems and express it self differently for all type of problem - religion , social, econemic,or political problem. So, the problem in Saudi Arabia is different then the problem in the UK and therefor the solution is different. inorder to change the UK society to Islamic society you need to have the Islamic solution for their problem. as we all know Islam has solution to every single problem that human can face.

ALM upto now addressing the Moslem...how UK abuse the Moslem, how UK play the game in the Moslem word , how Moslem not to trust Tony Blair, how Moslem ...........

ALM still call the ummah with Hizb ut-tahrir intellectual wealth, and the Hizb ut-tahrir intellectual wealth do not work for establishing the khilafah in the UK, at the same time , ALMis claiming to establish the khilafah wherever they are - the UK or Saudi Arabia.

Hizb ut-tahrir is working to establish khilafah in Saudi Arabia and then carry Islam through jihad to the UK.

The Policy of Al-Muhajiroun in the West as the ALM stated: Al-Muhajiroun believe that the needs of Muslims in the West are:

The preservation of their Islamic identity i.e. their belief and their Islamic personality. The protection of their lives and interests i.e. in terms of security, education and economics etc.. The preparation of the people to embrace Islam or to accept the Islamic way of life. The preparation of themselves to be the front line of the coming Khilafah i.e. to become strong and united in order to become the fifth column whichis able to put pressure on the enemies of Islam and to be able to support the Muslim Ummah world-wide.

These will be achieved by the following means:

Carrying Islam as an intellectual leadership to the society by culturing the society about Islam i.e. as a spiritual and political belief. Bonding the Muslim community in the west with the Muslims globally inorder to create an unbeatable bond within the Ummah and for them to bepart of the preparations for the world-wide Islamic revolution. This can be achieved by addressing the vital issues effecting Muslimsworld-wide such as that of the conspiracies of their corrupted regimes and rulers,the occupation of their land by the non-Muslims and by the arrangement of fundsand help for the world-wide Islamic movements in their struggle against these corrupted rulers and occupiers...

Re: Da'wah wherever you are?

To Br. Mohammad4
...Assalamu Aleikum,

Copy and paste old messages it is a repetition But I hope (Insha-Allah) you will be benefit from my answer....

You said: [where is the point? working to establish khilafah in the UK or not …it depend on if the group seeing the feasibility to establish it in the UK].

OBM said: sorry brother, but you are wrong and please remember you are discussing a Deen matter not a business matter therefore I assume that you will abide by the divine rule (Hukm Shar'ie) which emanates from the detailed divine evidence (Daleel Tafssilie) e.g. verse or Hadith. Hence working to establish Khilafah is Fard Muhattam (without choice-Ghair Mukhayyar) as you know any matter is Fard we must engage on it without choice until we fulfil it regardless of its feasibility. Allah (swt) says: It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path (misguidance)" [Al-Ahzaab 33:36]

Think about it.. Allah (swt) did not say that to engage in any Fard it depend on if you see the feasibility to establish it..!!. However, let me go with your views if a matter is Fard and depends on the feasibility (not on the effort for the sake of Allah to remove sin) don't you know that Hijjrah becomes Fard upon a Muslim (who believe that the obligation is not feasible) instead of he/she ignore the command of Allah (swt) and dismantle and release himself from obligation (without divine authority) under the pretext of practicality and feasibility or realism!?

You said: [ I assume that ALM have decided that it is possible to establish khilafa there and decided to work there. O.K.??!!]

OBM SAID: You assumption is Wrong…. We as Muslims have no choice but to obey Allah (swt) by engage ourselves with the obligations and its divine methods as He (swt) commanded us, regardless of: the satanic ideas: e.g. the possibility, practicality, feasibility in other word be realistic etc.!!. Allah (swt) says: "Work and act upon (My commands) soon will Allah observe your work, and His messenger, and the beleivers: soon will you be brought back to the (A'alim) Knower of what is hidden and what is open then will He show you the truth of all that you did" [ EMQ 9:105]

Think about it: Allah (swt) commanding us but we release ourselves from the responsibilities by some logical and rational which contradicts with the divine command. In fact we are obliged to act upon the commands of Allah (swt) regardless of the results, because the results on His hand (swt). And He (swt) ordered us to act upon His commands and commit ourselves. Allah (swt) says: "… He who leave his home for the sake of Allah and His messenger and suddenly he die, his reward becomes due … - [EMQ 4:100].

You said: [ ALM, up to this time, they are addressing the Moslem ummah another word, their offers still working to establish khilafah in Islamic word and at the same causing confusion of the reason for their existence. ]

OBM said: I am sorry that you are confuse but not necessary every person… in Fact many booklets, stalls, leaflets and activities addressing society as whole (Muslims or non-Muslims, Citizen or not Citizen) and some addressing many booklets, stalls, leaflets and activities Muslims. Why your are confuse!?

You said: [ALM is not working to establish khilafah in the UK even though they are claiming…]

OBM Answer: We Al-Muhajiroun members (wherever we are) fully engaging in the divine method to establish Khilafah as the messenger Muhammad (swt) did from Makkah to Madinah. What is your problem!!? You must be able to differentiate between engaging fully in the divine Method as matter of obligation (FARD-Without Choice) In Order To Remove Fulfil Duty And Remove Sin and between suspending the command of Allah (swt) and its divine method because we are outside the feasible Majal. (May Allah (swt) save you, and save us, and all Muslims from any satanic thinking or thoughts).

You said: [remember working to establish khilafa is big different than doing da'wah.]

OBM answer: Brother you are wrong again, please For Allah (swt) sake whether your HT or not… try to go to those who got knowledge before you pass judgement. For your information the word Da'wah in Arabic means: inviting, calling, persuading etc… Nothing in Islamic Jurisprudence call Da'wah - as lose term - is Fard!… it must be Da'wah for something e.g. Da'wah for Non-Muslims to Islam, Da'wah to society to accept Islam as way of life-Khilafah or Dawah to work to establish Khilafah, Da'wah to Jihad, Da'wah to Salat, Da'wah to Walimah etc… and the condition that all Da'wahs i.e. invitations must be for the Sake of Allah (swt). May Allah (swt) save us to be amongst those who reject the Da'wah for the implementation of Islam. Allah (swt) says: " When they are invited to Allah and His messenger in order that he rule and Judge between them, behold, some of them decline to come" [EMQ 24:48]

You said: […you do da'wah where ever you are and working to establish khilafah where ever it is feasible because Mohammed (saw) did reject one tribe's offer to support him for the reason that they could not do it. ]

OBM Answer: You need to qualify your claim by divine evidences from Quran and Sunnah. As far as the Messenger Muhammad (saw) is concerned HE (SAW) DID NOT STOP ENGAGING IN THE DIVNE METHOD wherever he was living. And there is no explicit divine evidence (Daleel Ssareeh) or doubtful evidence (Shubat-ul-Daleel) for the claims otherwise…Moreover: even for the sake of discussion, IF the messenger rejects a conditional Nussrah from some tribes or from those who are weak on the basis that they do not have power. How could be that use as divine evidence to suspend the engagement on the divine Method!?. Rather, we studied that the Messenger continued his engagement in the struggle until he (saw) migrate to Madinah. In Addition when I reject a Nurssah from a Plumber on the ground that his reality is not people of Nussrah that make sense BUT when I reject Nussrah from people of Nussrah whom they may visit Makkah or London in any season on the basis that they are or we are outside the Majal it make non-sense!!. Therefore I believe is needless to discuss the Issue of Majal because it is a matter concern admin of HT nothing to do with Islamic culture or the Islamic Jurisprudence.

Sheikh Omar

Re: Re: Da'wah wherever you are?

Asslam alikum

Br obm

Than you for your reply, Yes, we are discussing a Deen matter not a business matter, we all must abide by the Hukm Shar'ie. We all know that there be no Hukm Shar'ie without reality( the manat al-hukm). The way prophet Mohammed (saw) established the khilafah with is the way we must follow with out any change because it is the divine rule. At the same time it feasible to change any society with it (the divine method). The feasibility that I was referring in my past massage was the place that we can ask for Nussrah, so the place where we are going to ask for Nussrah is the place that is feasible to establish the khilafah.

We are Moslem when decide to do something, we do it only according to the divine rule, al-hamdu-lelah, we do not think about ourself other wise .

I do not know why you think that the possibility, practicality, feasibility in other word be realistic etc are satanic ideas. I believe Islam is possible, practical, feasible…Islam is realistic. But if somebody said khilafah is impossible to establish, then I would say it is satanic.

OBM Answer: We Al-Muhajiroun members (wherever we are) fully engaging in the divine method to establish Khilafah as the messenger Muhammad (swt) did from Makkah to Madinah. What is your problem!! You must be able to differentiate between engaging fully in the divine Method as matter of obligation (FARD-Without Choice) In Order To Remove Fulfil Duty And Remove Sin and between suspending the command of Allah (swt) and its divine method because we are outside the feasible Majal. (May Allah (swt) save you, and save us, and all Muslims from any satanic thinking or thoughts).

This is most important point really I need you to explain to me, please. You said: We Al-Muhajiroun members (wherever we are) fully engaging in the divine method to establish Khilafah as the messenger Muhammad (swt) did from Makkah to Madinah.

I believe you are not engaging the divine method when ever you are. Islam is practical, messenger Mohammed (saw) in makkah attack the koffur in makkah.killing the baby girls, worshiping rocks, he address people of makkah by the essue of makkah 's society. In other word, he addresses the citizen of makkah. If you are really engaging the divine method whenever you are, I expect you to address citizen of the UK with issues that expose the koffur ideas in all aspect of life in addition the call to replace them with Islam. You are up to now address only Moslem with Moslem issue as you stated in your web page:

This can be achieved by addressing the vital issues effecting Muslims world-wide such as that of the conspiracies of their corrupted regimes and rulers,the occupation of their land by the non-Muslims and by the arrangement of fundsand help for the world-wide Islamic movements in their struggle against thesecorrupted rulers and occupiers.

Akhokum

Mohammedr4

Re: Re: Re: Da'wah wherever you are?

Assalamu Aleikum (both of you)

To Mohammed4:Assalamu Aleikum,

1. The issue Tahqeeq ul-Manaatt nothing to do with The feasibility is to with understanding the reality it is nothing to do with practicality and feasibility or realism! . Allah (swt) says: It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong path (misguidance)" [Al-Ahzaab 33:36]

2. Regarding the way to address people I leave to you the way you wish… and I will address people the way Allah (swt) His messenger address them in the Quran and sunnah.. but if you are fair you can see that the majority of our leaflets are addressing society regardless if they are Muslims or non-Muslims.

3. Regarding the Intellectual treasures it is not belongs to HT or to Sheikh Taqi who transmitted from the previous scholars who were transmitted from the Sahaba (raa) from the Messenger (saw) from Jibreel (as) from Allah (swt)… So it is accurate to say: it is belong to Allah (swt) and He (swt) is the One Who thought Adam (as) and all the messengers.

4. To Br. Abdullah: To be more precise, as long as YOU are wake-up and engaging wherever you are with the commands of God you are the successful in the Day of Judgement.

Sheikh Omar

- Majal?

Questions:
1.My point is that ALM is not doing the methed in the UK because ALM does not and has stated it cannot seek nusrah in the UK.
2.It is obvious that Shaikh Taqi (RA) defined an area of work to establish KH. It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything, but it was clear that outside this area HT was not actually working to establish Kh. This is evident from the answer he gave to the member who left the area. I feel ALM should not continue to claim that they are following the method of HT in the time of Sh. T. and admit they have there own understanding. As ALM stated it adopts its culture as a jammah from the books of HT, Ikwan, and other groups. It is fine ALM can have its own approach, but don't then say you are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's.
3. Why does ALM not seek nusrah in UK USA etc if it adopts that the method must be executed everywhere or why does it not admit that it is not working to establish KH. in Britain etc!!!! The Prophet (SAW) achieved nusrah form outside his (SAW) area, but he was seeking it in Mekkah and the surrounding areas too.
4.I only asked AM to show how they are following the method of the Prophet (SAW) in the UK to topple the british government and establish the deen of Islam. Its just that AM claim to follow the method and engage in political/ideological struggle in the UK and some people don't take this very seriously (i am sorry if I put it in wrong way).Therefore, please explain how you are making ideological struggle with society and political struggle with the govt. Also please demonstrate how you are seeking nusrah with the british armed forces.

Answers:
You said: [My point is that ALM is not doing the method in the UK because ALM does not and has stated it cannot seek nusrah in the UK].
Dear brother: would please read my previous answers to HT members and think before you answer.... The Majal of Takleef is the planet earth Allah says: "To Allah belong the East and the West; wherever you turn there is the presence of Allah (commands) For Allah is all-pervading all-knowing " EMQ 2:115 ] and He (swt) defined the Majal of Takleef is the planet earth, Allah (swt) says: " I will create a Man on earth" [EMQ 2:30] ... So, the commands of Allah are binding on us wherever we are. If you want to restrict any duty or its method you required a Daleel Shar'ie, can you provide one single Divine evidence about Majal or about what is fard is Jordan not fard in UK? pleaaaaase!!! No logic!!

But one single DALEEL!! We members of Al-Muhajiroun are engaging in the divine method to establish Khilafah wherever we are including UK and members of Al-Muhajiroun are obliged to seek Nussrah wherever they are from Muslims in position of Nussrah including UK. For example In the UK members of Al-Muhajiroun are regular contact with those who are visiting London the messenger use to meet those who use to Makkah, we seeking Nussrah from overseas Muslim-students training in British Military colleges. Who said to you that you must engage in the Method only in the place your seeking Nussrah from.... The messenger was seeking Nussrah from people outside Makkah and ask them to handle the power to him on their area.. BUT did not stop engaging in the method in Makkah... Whereas HT members outside Majal they suspended the divine Method and replace it by education about Khilafah!!! Shame Brothers of HT,... are strongly advised to get a serious lessons in Islam before they started to make logical and non-Islamic Ahkam!!... Indeed Fiqh of Islam is power and without it we become a secular people.....! And any members of HT or other Islamic group living in any Kufr society without to engage on the divine method to remove the Kufr law in order to establish Islam are sinful because they are not relevant to the society or the Majal they are living in ... And that is call a secular Hizb or Clergy Hizb who is his call not relevant to the society. It is well known that HT members outside Majal are not engaging in the Divine method which i.e. culturing Society, Engaging in intellectual and Political Struggle against the regimes were they are living under beside seeking Nussrah to receive the power in order to establish Islam...

In fact what they are doing is fulfilling the commands of their Ameer who suspended the commands of Allah i.e. the method outside Majal ... and that is the big sin and crime against Allah (swt). When we do not differentiate between the commands of Allah and the Commands of Man!!

You said: [It is obvious that Shaikh Taqi (RA) defined an area of work to establish KH. It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything] Dear Brother, Let me make it crystal clear to hose who follow blindly Sheikh Taqi (rh)... that neither Sheikh Taqi or any sheikh himself nor his words is a divine Evidence, The divine Evidences are Verses or Ahadeeth..... .... Indeed Sheikh Taqi (rh) did defined an area of work for HT to establish KH, but he (rh) did not stop to engage on the method when he was outside Majal e.g. Beirut.... please refer to the leaflet of Majal.... and for the sake of the argument if Sheikh Taqi did say that the divine Method to establish Khilafah not binding upon Muslims (members or not members) outside his Majal he be considered a sinful because the matter is a clear cut and not open for interpretation.... like if I said fasting and its method is fard upon Muslims wherever they are except member of HT out said Majal!! Because they are part of the same entity....!! so even Muslims are part of the same entity Ummah but they are going to be accounted individually.

Regarding your statement: [...It does not mean that the people outside don't do anything]... let me tell you my Dear brother and make it to you explicitly clear that.... anything you or they do... I repeat anything...they do IF it is not part of the Divine Method as divine duties upon them it mean they are doing nothing in relation to the Fard.... Nothing even if they attended close weekly Halaqah and fulfilling all Ameer orders i.e. Iltizamaat Hizbiyyah. does not remove the sin from their necks if they do not follow Allah orders i.e The Iltizamaat Islamiyyah e.g. the thought and the Method......... and anything good they do different than the divine Method they remove no sin from their necks...... for example the method to perform Hajj will never fulfilled if we only you pray in Makkah and educate people about Khilafah and do good deed.... its required to engage in the fard of Hajj with its specific method and the same for the Fard of Khilafah with its a specific divine Method.... and without it no body perform his/her duty....

You said: [ but it was clear that outside this area HT was not actually working to establish Kh. This is evident from the answer he gave to the member who left the area]
Dear Brother: The big mistake of all members of HT and which make them confuse and weak in any discussion related to the issue of Majal or the Method: that they speaks as entity i.e. Hizb not as a individual Muslims who are going to accounted by Allah (swt) as individual because of his/her efforts or actions not because of HT entity!!... the accountabilities in Islam is not for the entity rather for the action of the individuals... Shame... if one member of HT commit fornication is all members are sinful because there are from the same entity!!! NO and the same of some of them engage in the method in one areas does not remove the sin from those who are outside that particular area....!! Let us gown a little bit and listen to Allah saying: " He does take and account of them (all) and hath numbered them (all) exactly And every one of them will come to him singly on the Day of Judgement.." [EMQ 19:94-95] And Allah says: " That Day shall a man flee from his own brother. And from his mother and his father. And from his wife and his children. Each one of them that Day will have enough concern (of his own) to make him indifferent to the others" [EMQ 80:34-37]... Members of HT, always said: we are part of the same entity if HT who are working in Majal therefore we remove the sin from necks by doing anything else (except the Method) outside Majal! So what it was Fard upon Muslims in Majal is not Fard upon them outside Majal? BECAUSE they are members and it is enough intercession for them on the day of judgement (shame)....

Dear Brother: that particular individual member who was out side Majal was his duty to join or to form a group or a branch for Hizb in order to engage in the method for the sake to remove the sin from his neck.. . However, The reality today is different they are members of Hizb who are living outside Majal e.g. Pakistan, USA or UK and they started to replace the method by other logical good deed!!! Under the pretext they are in Dar Al-Holiday!! And to make it sound Islamic they said Al-Habashah!!

You said: [ I feel ALM should not continue to claim that they are following the method of HT in the time of Sh. T. and admit they have there own understanding] Dear Brother: Is that what upset you ....no problem... but for a while I thought you are upset for the sake of Allah and His Deen and you have some evidences... however if your (wrong) understanding was allegedly the understanding of Sheikh taqi (rh) That means he was sinful and we will never follow stupidity rather we follow Quran and sunnah!! We Muslims follow the commands of Allah (swt) and his Messenger (saw) not Sheikhs... whoever they are. But indeed Sheikh Taqi (rh) never share with you your non-Islamic and disgraceful understanding.!!... Excuse me but what you carry is not even different of opinion rather it is HARAM and you must repent ...

You said: [As ALM stated it adopts its culture as a jammah from the books of HT, Ikwan, and other groups ] Dear Brother: Indeed Al-Muhajiroun looked and benefit from the work of All classical Scholars and Islamic movements e.g. Sahabah, Tabi'een, T/T, and classical and currents scholars e.g. Taqi, Syed Qutub, Mawdodi, and many others even we did differed with them in some issues... But Indeed the believers are brotherhood..... and their struggle are for the sake of Allah (swt)

You said: [It is fine ALM can have its own approach, but don't then say you are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's] Dear Brother, But That is the fact of it we are adopting from HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's.... However if that upset you, I Sheikh Omar Bakri, hereby declares that I do not follow any more HT in the 50's, 60's and 70's But I follow the Quran and Sunnah only.... (Are you happy now?) !! But sorry, I really wonder how old you are?

You said: [Why does ALM not seek nusrah in UK, USA etc if it adopts that the method must be executed everywhere or why does it not admit that it is not working to establish KH. in Britain etc!!!! The Prophet (SAW) achieved nusrah form outside his (SAW) area, but he was seeking it in Mekkah and the surrounding areas too]
Dear Brother, the problem it seems to me that your ability to understand is limited, I am really sorry for you brother, but Al-Muhajiroun members are working in the UK to establish Khilafah and engaging in the method the way the messenger was doing in Makkah... but Allah knows where Al-Khilafah going to be ... please refer my previous answers and please don't waste our time on something obvious with clear cut evidences with your ration, logic and emotional attachment to Hizb and blind love to Sheikh Taqi (rh) without any shred of understanding... for the method or The teaching of Sheikh Taqi.

You said: [please explain how you are making ideological struggle with society and political struggle with the govt] We are following the same steps of the Messenger Muhammad (SAW) from Makkah to Madinah... The Messenger Muhammad (SAW) called society to Islam.... Therefore Al-Muhajiroun calling society to Islam wherever they are The Messenger Muhammad (SAW) exposed the system of Qureish..... Therefore Al-Muhajiroun engaging in exposing man-made law and the regimes wherever they are... If you think that is impossible for ALM to do so.....Simply the matter is Fard and Hukn Shari'ie not Aqlie i.e ratiom.... At least ALM involving in Ideological and political struggle against man-made law... and calling the whole society to Islam by many means e.g. open circles, public stalls and discussion in the streets, lectures, Rallies, Demonstrations beside seeking Nussra from Muslims (ONLY) in position of power.... of course not from Kuffar in the British Army or government but from Muslims in different part of the world.

You said: [Also please demonstrate how you are seeking nusrah with the british armed forces] We Muslims must know by necessity that Nussrah to take power comes only from Muslims... It is Haram to seek Nussrah from non-Muslims. (we are not talking about individual protection!!)

May Allah forgive you and me.
Sheikh Omar

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- Nussrah in the UK?

salaam, firstly is it vital that we seek nusrah from the army, if so then in the UK how can we do this as the army is obviously kafir, do we seek nusrah from elsewhere, if so what about the obligation. does it mean that we can only go to muslim countries to seek nusrah? who would we ask for support in this country, I hope this question makes sense.

re: seeking nusrah

Yes sister we seek Nussrah from the Muslims who are in position of Nussrah and kafaalah over people i.e. Muslims in the army... obviously the army institution in Pakistan, Syria or UK are Kufr institution but we must seek Nussrah from those who accept Islam in the army or from whose who are already Muslims in the Army or
keep contacting people who has relatives in the army in any part of the world in order to establish relationship with their relatives in the army...etc..

As for going to Muslim countries to seek Nussrah: it is more practical but it is not a divine condition that you must go there... we could seek it from those Muslims who are part of the army in any part of the world during here visit in any season to the UK whether for medical, studying or tourist reasons.... the way the messenger (saw) use to seek Nussrah in different seasons in Makkah (which is was not a Muslim country)...

However, We must commit ourselves to the divine method of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and stop violation of Allah's Deen by our non-sense which we think that makes sense whereas in fact we are leaving our divine duty.... simply either go back to Muslim countries or abide by Allah orders in the this country the way you abide yourself to work daily and getting married and having children....!!

By the way Muslims must engage to establish the Shari'ah and to seek the Nussrah for it the way the Messenger our Uswah and ALL HIS COMPANIONS did in Makkah.... and for Allah's sake let us stop our (stupid) ration or logic when we are dealing with divine rules and divine evidences.

NB: Think about this question: Does anybody able to quote me evidences that Abu Bakr, Omar, Osman, Ali or that all Sahabah ever fast regularly the whole of Ramadhan or that they pray daily five times a day or that all work to establish the khilafah, or sought Nussrah regularly…etc?

My answer that there is evidences we received about many of the sahabah regular or daily actions but we assume that all they follow the Messenger Muhammad (saw) until proven otherwise….. Think about it…

Sheikh Omar

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